Yes, Farage's comments need to be discussed and the issue confronted. They are extraordinary. He appears to accept that the Islamisation of the country is inevitable so we had better get on the right side of history and accept it. I have hesitated about joining Reform because they are soft on the very issue that most concerns me. With a Muslim chairman now and all these overtures to the Muslim vote, one could be forgiven for thinking "What is the point of Reform?" An alternative view might be that this is part of a deep-thought plan to gain control of Govt after the next election, and then, when in power, to take effective action against the criminal elements, whether they are Muslim or otherwise. It doesn't have to be an overt part of the party's programme - just like Starmer today after staying shtum when out of power and then dishing out the tax increases and increasing the headlong pace to net zero.
What do I think? I don't know. But I have reservations about Reform.
Exactly right Jos, that's the hope I suppose - and it may be a shrewd move. Trouble is if, like the Tories, Farage 'welches' on the unspoken deal, we're back to where we started!
Hi, Jos I too have some reservations now about Reform but only since Farage took the lead. It's something about the way Farage talks in the first person during interviews, I this I that.
I hadn't noticed that. However, he has always regarded his political party as HIS, and seems to brook no opposition. Ben Habib was forced out for reasons unknown, and I thought he was one of the best Reform representatives. Tice is a nonentity. However, Farage has been extremely successful in building up an anti-EU party and winning a referendum, and he has to be a key element in any Reform success. No one else has his public profile or is willing to confront issues head-on. His current ambivalence is concerning but based, I think, on the impossibility or removing millions of Muslims who might have been born here or lived here for decades. That is why he is hoping for a cultural transformation amongst 'em. But the more there are of 'em, the more empowered they feel - and the more they will double-down on their culture and their desire to impose their values on us.
Another very thoughtful and thought provoking article Frank. Thank you. My take on Farage is that I agree he doesn’t go the whole nine yards particularly with regard to Islam and the issue of cultural alignment of young Muslims with the indigenous population. So you could argue he’s not the real deal. Not the full Tommy Robinson. Not going to turn the clock back to 1950 or satisfy every concern.
But I think we have to see Farage relatively to the other politicians on offer. Starmer? Hardly. Badenoch? You’ll be lucky to get an answer and if you do it’ll be her bloody principles rather than the policies we’re asking for. Davey? 🤮. So we’re left with Nigel. He’s mellow compared to Robinson but he’s electable unlike Tommy. Do we want more of Starmer and a fast track to Islamophobia Laws or do we want someone who will roll the excesses back. Not the whole nine yards but maybe seven?
Thank you, and yes I can see the argument for the pragmatic approach. The problem is, it was the same with Peter Hitchens assessment that the Tories were preferable to Starmer - that of course may well be, but it just means we get to an unwanted destination slower. My suspicion (and hope) is that Farage does recognise the danger posed by Islam, but is keeping his cards close to his chest.
I think the next four years of Trump in the US will be instructive for Farage and the UK and indeed for the whole of the West. If Trump embarks on mass deportations of foreign criminals, illegals and foreign and dual nationality villains, that will make it an inevitability everywhere. But that will still leave a lot of second and third generation Muslims who don’t fall into those categories and who may still represent a problem. I don’t see any solution other than trying to turn them into Zia Yusufs or offering them passage back to their ancestral homes.
For many years France insisted that migrants conform to French ways of life and it has ended in bloodshed and disaster. The only way to avoid the problem of non-integration would be not to have adopted the policy of mass immigration at all, a ship that sailed decades ago. Unless we are advocating for the mass deportation of all Muslims (including British citizens), which would obviously be unjustifiable for a whole variety of reasons, what choice does someone like Farage have?
Yes, we now have a substantial (and growing) proportion of Muslims in the population, whether we like it not. But we could kick out the criminal element and stop subsidising their growth through the benefits system. And stop importing any more. Even so, given how radical many Muslims appear to be and how opposed to non-Islamic law and customs so many are, I think it a vain hope that over time they will adopt our values and become "proper Brits". If their numbers continue to climb, civil war is, in my view, inevitable.
How long has Yusuf been using a shortened version of his middle name, rather than Mohammed, which is his first name?
And why?
Is he embarrassed by his first name? Worried about Islamophobia?
I'd like to see him interviewed in depth about his religious beliefs. It's not difficult to work out if a Muslim is trying to soft pedal Islam. Ed Husain is a prime example of this type, lamely lying about some of the very unsavoury aspects of Islam and it's tinpot prophet
Farage is just another bog standard politician, weighing up how far to run with the hare and when to start hunting with the hounds. Natural behaviour for a politician.
I have always seen the muslims as a blind spot for Farage he forgets that the muslims want the world to regress by about a 1000 years thats the stupidity of their religion.There is only one way forward for this country and that is a Political party called Britain First and it is led by a man called Paul Golding if Britain First get a rich backer they will become a force to be reckoned with I sincerely hope this happens.
Yes, Farage's comments need to be discussed and the issue confronted. They are extraordinary. He appears to accept that the Islamisation of the country is inevitable so we had better get on the right side of history and accept it. I have hesitated about joining Reform because they are soft on the very issue that most concerns me. With a Muslim chairman now and all these overtures to the Muslim vote, one could be forgiven for thinking "What is the point of Reform?" An alternative view might be that this is part of a deep-thought plan to gain control of Govt after the next election, and then, when in power, to take effective action against the criminal elements, whether they are Muslim or otherwise. It doesn't have to be an overt part of the party's programme - just like Starmer today after staying shtum when out of power and then dishing out the tax increases and increasing the headlong pace to net zero.
What do I think? I don't know. But I have reservations about Reform.
Exactly right Jos, that's the hope I suppose - and it may be a shrewd move. Trouble is if, like the Tories, Farage 'welches' on the unspoken deal, we're back to where we started!
Hi, Jos I too have some reservations now about Reform but only since Farage took the lead. It's something about the way Farage talks in the first person during interviews, I this I that.
I hadn't noticed that. However, he has always regarded his political party as HIS, and seems to brook no opposition. Ben Habib was forced out for reasons unknown, and I thought he was one of the best Reform representatives. Tice is a nonentity. However, Farage has been extremely successful in building up an anti-EU party and winning a referendum, and he has to be a key element in any Reform success. No one else has his public profile or is willing to confront issues head-on. His current ambivalence is concerning but based, I think, on the impossibility or removing millions of Muslims who might have been born here or lived here for decades. That is why he is hoping for a cultural transformation amongst 'em. But the more there are of 'em, the more empowered they feel - and the more they will double-down on their culture and their desire to impose their values on us.
Thanks Frank for this article it covers some of my concerns regarding Farage.
Thanks Pat
Same. I've noticed this disconcerting shift in Farage as well recently.
Another very thoughtful and thought provoking article Frank. Thank you. My take on Farage is that I agree he doesn’t go the whole nine yards particularly with regard to Islam and the issue of cultural alignment of young Muslims with the indigenous population. So you could argue he’s not the real deal. Not the full Tommy Robinson. Not going to turn the clock back to 1950 or satisfy every concern.
But I think we have to see Farage relatively to the other politicians on offer. Starmer? Hardly. Badenoch? You’ll be lucky to get an answer and if you do it’ll be her bloody principles rather than the policies we’re asking for. Davey? 🤮. So we’re left with Nigel. He’s mellow compared to Robinson but he’s electable unlike Tommy. Do we want more of Starmer and a fast track to Islamophobia Laws or do we want someone who will roll the excesses back. Not the whole nine yards but maybe seven?
Thank you, and yes I can see the argument for the pragmatic approach. The problem is, it was the same with Peter Hitchens assessment that the Tories were preferable to Starmer - that of course may well be, but it just means we get to an unwanted destination slower. My suspicion (and hope) is that Farage does recognise the danger posed by Islam, but is keeping his cards close to his chest.
I think the next four years of Trump in the US will be instructive for Farage and the UK and indeed for the whole of the West. If Trump embarks on mass deportations of foreign criminals, illegals and foreign and dual nationality villains, that will make it an inevitability everywhere. But that will still leave a lot of second and third generation Muslims who don’t fall into those categories and who may still represent a problem. I don’t see any solution other than trying to turn them into Zia Yusufs or offering them passage back to their ancestral homes.
For many years France insisted that migrants conform to French ways of life and it has ended in bloodshed and disaster. The only way to avoid the problem of non-integration would be not to have adopted the policy of mass immigration at all, a ship that sailed decades ago. Unless we are advocating for the mass deportation of all Muslims (including British citizens), which would obviously be unjustifiable for a whole variety of reasons, what choice does someone like Farage have?
Yes, we now have a substantial (and growing) proportion of Muslims in the population, whether we like it not. But we could kick out the criminal element and stop subsidising their growth through the benefits system. And stop importing any more. Even so, given how radical many Muslims appear to be and how opposed to non-Islamic law and customs so many are, I think it a vain hope that over time they will adopt our values and become "proper Brits". If their numbers continue to climb, civil war is, in my view, inevitable.
How long has Yusuf been using a shortened version of his middle name, rather than Mohammed, which is his first name?
And why?
Is he embarrassed by his first name? Worried about Islamophobia?
I'd like to see him interviewed in depth about his religious beliefs. It's not difficult to work out if a Muslim is trying to soft pedal Islam. Ed Husain is a prime example of this type, lamely lying about some of the very unsavoury aspects of Islam and it's tinpot prophet
Political Islam is the snake & everyday Muslims are the grass the snake hides in 🐍🕌🐍
Farage is just another bog standard politician, weighing up how far to run with the hare and when to start hunting with the hounds. Natural behaviour for a politician.
I have always seen the muslims as a blind spot for Farage he forgets that the muslims want the world to regress by about a 1000 years thats the stupidity of their religion.There is only one way forward for this country and that is a Political party called Britain First and it is led by a man called Paul Golding if Britain First get a rich backer they will become a force to be reckoned with I sincerely hope this happens.